Windows XP disk?

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Windows XP disk?

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serge2005

2008-10-02 22:55:01 UTC

I previously purchased Virtual PC 6 (for Mac) with Windows XP Professional,
and later upgraded to version 7 (also with Windows XP Professional). However,
the Windows XP software did not come on its own disk, but it was embedded
within the Virtual PC disk. I did get two separate product keys (one for
Virtual PC, one for Windows XP Professional, I assume.)

My question is: can I create a Windows XP Professional disk so I can use it
separately from the Virtual PC software? I no longer use Virtual PC, and now
that I just bought Parallels for my MacBook Pro, I think I should have a
right to install Windows XP Professional since I don't use the Virtual PC
software any more. But Parallels asks for a disk or an ISO image of Windows...

Any ideas?

Fred Horvat

2008-10-03 02:29:21 UTC

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This is a commonly asked question here. The short answer is NO you can not
use the XP CD that came with VPC 6. It's not legal to do so. It is tied
only to VPC. If I remember correctly it is under an OEM license.

The XP CD included with VPC is missing auto boot capabilities anyways (I
think that's what is missing).

On 10/2/08 6:55 PM, in article

Post by serge2005
I previously purchased Virtual PC 6 (for Mac) with Windows XP Professional,
and later upgraded to version 7 (also with Windows XP Professional). However,
the Windows XP software did not come on its own disk, but it was embedded
within the Virtual PC disk. I did get two separate product keys (one for
Virtual PC, one for Windows XP Professional, I assume.)
My question is: can I create a Windows XP Professional disk so I can use it
separately from the Virtual PC software? I no longer use Virtual PC, and now
that I just bought Parallels for my MacBook Pro, I think I should have a
right to install Windows XP Professional since I don't use the Virtual PC
software any more. But Parallels asks for a disk or an ISO image of Windows...
Any ideas?

Helpful Harry

2008-10-03 06:34:50 UTC

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On 10/2/08 6:55 PM, in article

Nope, you can not legally use the disk that came with Virtual PC to
install WIndows on any other software or hardware. It's a bundled
product with a license to use that version of Windows ONLY with
Virtual PC. This is no different to the Mac OS X disk that came with
your Mac (or the version of Windows that comes bundled with a new PC) -
it's is ONLY for use with that Mac, even if you later upgrade that
Mac's OS you still can not use the bundled disk to install the older
version on another Mac.

Nope, you don't "have a right to install Windows XP Professional". You
agreed to these terms and conditions in the license when you opened
installed Virtual PC (that's why installers have an "I agree" button at
the start of the process) ... if you didn't read them, then it's still
no excuse for piracy.

If you want to install Windows to use it with Parallels Desktop, VMWare
Fusion, Boot Camp or any PC computer, then you will have to buy a
proper, fully licensed version of Windows XP or Vista.

Helpful Harry
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Pirate chaser

2008-10-03 23:47:30 UTC

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As has been said you can't produce an independent WinXP boot disk from
the WinXP on the VPC disk.
However you might be interested in this approach:
http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/features/transporter/

Since MS has dropped VPC as of the Intel Macs, with no plan to produce
an Intel Mac version, I see no problem with moving it forward using
Parallels Transporter.
Obviously the Parallels people agree and MS has not objected.

Post by serge2005
Parallels Desktop for Mac brought it to you first.
Migrate an entire real or virtual PC system, including operating system,
applications, files and personal settings, to your new Parallels Desktop for
Mac virtual machine.

serge2005

2008-10-04 00:49:00 UTC

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Thank you for pointing this out- I was not aware of this option. It sure
beats the heck out of trying to purchase a stand-alone version of XP!

Post by Pirate chaser

As has been said you can't produce an independent WinXP boot disk from
the WinXP on the VPC disk.
http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/features/transporter/
Since MS has dropped VPC as of the Intel Macs, with no plan to produce
an Intel Mac version, I see no problem with moving it forward using
Parallels Transporter.
Obviously the Parallels people agree and MS has not objected.

Helpful Harry

2008-10-04 02:59:11 UTC

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Post by Pirate chaser

Please do not encourage people to do illegal things in this newsgroup.

Moving the operating system illegally is NOT what the Transporter is
for. You are still NOT allowed to use the version of Windows that came
bundled with Virtual PC with any other product. You have to buy a full,
legal, licensed version of Windows for use with Parallels.

It's selfish scum doing whatever they want that is part of the cause
for the over-infalted prices of software. :o(

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

serge2005

2008-10-04 02:27:01 UTC

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Harry,

you are missing the point. All that is happening is prolonging the life of
the virtual PC I created on my old G4 through the use of VPC and the embedded
windows version. I now have an Intel-based Mac (and I really don't use the G4
any more), VPC has gone up in flames (because it stunk to begin with), and
Parallels is allowing me to continue what I started some years ago. The main
reason I did this is because I do web design and development and needed an
efficient way to test web pages on MSIE directly from my Mac, which is still
my main objective. Sometimes I test HTML emails on Outlook as well. Nothing
more.

Peace out.

Post by Helpful Harry

Post by Pirate chaser

Please do not encourage people to do illegal things in this newsgroup.
Moving the operating system illegally is NOT what the Transporter is
for. You are still NOT allowed to use the version of Windows that came
bundled with Virtual PC with any other product. You have to buy a full,
legal, licensed version of Windows for use with Parallels.
It's selfish scum doing whatever they want that is part of the cause
for the over-infalted prices of software. :o(
Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

Helpful Harry

2008-10-04 04:30:11 UTC

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Post by serge2005
Harry,
you are missing the point. All that is happening is prolonging the life of
the virtual PC I created on my old G4 through the use of VPC and the embedded
windows version. I now have an Intel-based Mac (and I really don't use the G4
any more), VPC has gone up in flames (because it stunk to begin with), and
Parallels is allowing me to continue what I started some years ago. The main
reason I did this is because I do web design and development and needed an
efficient way to test web pages on MSIE directly from my Mac, which is still
my main objective. Sometimes I test HTML emails on Outlook as well. Nothing
more.
Peace out.

No, you're missing the point.

It's 100% plain and simple: it is NOT legal to use the version of
Windows that came bundled with Virtual PC with any other product.

If you want to use Parallels, VMWare Fusion, Boot Camp or a PC
computer, you MUCT buy a new, fully licensed version of Windows.

It doesn't make any difference at all how you try to spin the phrasing,
if you do re-use that version of Windows outside of Virtual PC, you ARE
breaking the licensing agreement and you ARE being a pirate.

It can't be much simpler than that. :o\

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

Spam away

2008-10-04 08:29:58 UTC

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Post by Helpful Harry
No, you're missing the point.
It's 100% plain and simple: it is NOT legal to use the version of
Windows that came bundled with Virtual PC with any other product.
If you want to use Parallels, VMWare Fusion, Boot Camp or a PC
computer, you MUCT buy a new, fully licensed version of Windows.
It doesn't make any difference at all how you try to spin the phrasing,
if you do re-use that version of Windows outside of Virtual PC, you ARE
breaking the licensing agreement and you ARE being a pirate.
It can't be much simpler than that. :o\
Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

Helpful as a pigs ass!

Michael Vilain

2008-10-04 17:37:44 UTC

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Post by Spam away

Helpful as a pigs ass!

Actually, telling a cretinous software pirate to fuck off and die is the
standard response here. Harry posted the nice version.

This is Usenet. There's a place for everything. If you want to pirate
software, there are groups for that. Stupid git.

Oh, I'm sorry. This is Abuse. You want Arguments. That's down the
hall...

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Steve Jain [MVP]

2008-10-04 20:24:19 UTC

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On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:27:01 -0700, serge2005

If it stunk, then why did you buy it? Because it was the best
solution for running Windows on a PPC Mac, nobody else touched it
until Apple moved to Intel, because it's a hell of a lot easier to not
have to emulate the entire CPU.

When you purchased VPC with Windows you agreed to the OEM terms that
the Windows included is only for use with Virtual PC. You got a
significant discount on that version of Windows for that reason.

VPC+Windows XP cost LESS than a stand-alone version of Windows. If
you had wanted to have the ability to move your Windows across
platforms you should have purchased a retail version of Windows XP.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/

Helpful Harry

2008-10-04 20:57:35 UTC

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Post by Steve Jain [MVP]
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:27:01 -0700, serge2005

If it stunk, then why did you buy it? Because it was the best
solution for running Windows on a PPC Mac, nobody else touched it
until Apple moved to Intel, because it's a hell of a lot easier to not
have to emulate the entire CPU.
When you purchased VPC with Windows you agreed to the OEM terms that
the Windows included is only for use with Virtual PC. You got a
significant discount on that version of Windows for that reason.
VPC+Windows XP cost LESS than a stand-alone version of Windows. If
you had wanted to have the ability to move your Windows across
platforms you should have purchased a retail version of Windows XP ...

... along with the standalone / no OS version of Virtual PC.

Just to complete that last sentence. :o)

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

unknown

2008-10-17 10:17:45 UTC

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On 2008-10-04 12:27:01 +1000, serge2005

Post by serge2005
you are missing the point. All that is happening is prolonging the life of
the virtual PC I created on my old G4 through the use of VPC and the embedded
windows version. I now have an Intel-based Mac (and I really don't use the G4
any more), VPC has gone up in flames (because it stunk to begin with), and
Parallels is allowing me to continue what I started some years ago. The main
reason I did this is because I do web design and development and needed an
efficient way to test web pages on MSIE directly from my Mac, which is still
my main objective. Sometimes I test HTML emails on Outlook as well. Nothing
more.

Helpful Harry and other regulars in this newsgroup have a point in that
you observe the licensing terms of the products you have purchased.

Remember, you implicitly AGREE to use the software under the specified terms
if you do as much as open the product packaging, install it and use it.

If you have questions about your license of Virtual PC and the version of
Windows that has come with it (if you purchased a Virtual PC/Windows bundle),
please contact Microsoft Licensing. They have the ultimate say (in writing)
in what you can and can't do with the product licensed to you.

--tonza